Wednesday, December 24, 2008

12/11 Meeting Reviews


Ok. After listening to the audio this is what I have to say.

Concise Thoughts
#1. The term "Radikal" is mentioned heavily - thank you.
#2. Who's the Brit senator? Like what he had to say.
#3. Eric Conrad - sounds like a whiner.
#4. Gillespy - not much better than Conrad; awesome photo though.
#5. Dictor - uses profanity far too much for an SBP candidate.
#6. Hargrove - sounds like a more assertive, funnier Phil Harden.
#7. "Adriana" - whiner. novice w/ no patience. Stay home next time.
#8. Someone asks if he can clap for JN, SM says clap - all clap.
#9. Hargrove concludes, no one claps.
#10: Can anyone say "Simon Says?"
#11: SM fumbles O&B/Pres results for Shotgun S>SBP nomination.
#12: The Officials openly berate BD, "decide!" "yes or no!"
#13: Party Pres. results announced. DH upsets JN
#14: The Officials no longer yelling; SM hasty adjournment.
#15: The Geico celebrity didn't even ask a question, how lame.
#16: Nice to see Frank on party business, even b4 elected MAL.
#17: Frank said he'd walk away if unexp. candidates chosen.
#18: If Ben said walk - 3rd Party Threat. Why not Frank?
#19: Double Standard?
#20: We talked about Party Pres. for almost two hours.
#21: You have ten seconds to decide if you want to run for SBP
#22: "Oh come on, Dictor!" Yea Dictor, decide, I mean the whaling.
#23: You'd think these Officials were trying to get out of Darfur
#24: On the last Red Cross helicopter.
#25: C'mon Dictor, decide!
#26: Decide!
#27: Do It!
#28: Now!
#29: Oh Donte won. Bummer. Meeting Adjourned.

Article IV - what GDI Playbook did they ever get this from? Seniority doesn't even speak to this issue, as we're not dealing with the elder members of O&B but members from older parties all together. People are being rewarded with power in a party going into 2009 for work they did in 2007? What if these folks went on to grad school? Will they have voting rights until 2012?

One young lady, undeniably an Official, stated in her own words, that what is needed is "INSTITUTIONAL KNOWLEDGE". Now I don't know about you, but that speaks 100%, nail-on-the-head Radikal definition of "The Officials" - the institutional body of the Orange & Blue Party. [Takes a Bow, then Waves]

11 comments:

Anonymous said...

Duque, I didn't know you thought of yourself as a woman. You really are an indie!

francisco said...

Who got rewarded for not working for Orange and Blue? I didn't get there until 30 minutes or so before the meeting ended; from the version I heard the people that worked the campaign were the ones elected that day.

Still waiting to do the recording. You have time to listen to a 4 hour meeting, but not set aside 20 minutes for me :tear:.

Veritas said...

Ah Mr. Duque, you fail to understand. It's really not your fault, seeing as you are not at UF anymore and don't really know every little detail, but those who have fed you information are failing to see what is right in front of them.

The vote was conducted by "anonymous" ballots. So nobody "knows" how everyone voted, but one can make reasonable assumptions. The vote was 10-7 for Donte. There were 18 voters.
Of those, "the officials":

Sam Miorelli
Ben Cavataro
Mark Mcshera himself
Liz Stinson
Kyle Huey
(plus some other nonvoting people like Josh and Cain)

So there were five voting officials. If you listened to the audio (as you apparently did), you also know that several other voters (Gray, Fyda, Yanuck, and Baker) seemed to be at least sympathetic to these "officials". Yet only seven people voted for Josh, and somebody didn't vote at all. Either the officials really are a tiny minority in the Orange and Blue Party, or they themselves were divided on who to support.

Anybody know who didn't vote?

Christian Duque said...

I'm not anti-Official or Pro-Prog, but I do want people to understand that my distinctions hold water factually and are accurate.

Justin Wooten said...

I know Yanuck voted for Donte. He came right over to us and told us so, so I don't think it is a big secret or anything.

Anonymous said...

Donte was a great candidate and this no one voted in blocks, now if the progs would only work with the party president that they supported we could put this all behind us

Anonymous said...

Wait, after all the bitching about who gets to vote, somebody didn't? WTF?

Justin&Toto said...

Ben Dictor needs to graduate and get lost. This guy is going to pull his britches down and take a mean CRAP on everything we've fought hard for.

Anonymous said...

Mark voted for Donte and Huey didn't vote.

When Alan went over to Dictor to explain why he voted for Donte and ask him about Grasshopper, Dictor to him something like he didn't give a fuck and to shove it up his ass. He then proceded to tell a member or two of O&B to go join Gator Party. Just putting to the facts out there like Duque.

Mitchell Tannenbaum said...

Link to the meeting audio.
 
3:03  Bennett proposes party officer elections,  Schneider is first to use "unelected cabal"
 
12:20  Miorelli says voting members include former party officers in bylaws, and again at 14:20
 
16:10  Bennett asks why Progress Party members can vote.  Debate ensues about who can vote 'current party officers and senators vs. officers, senators, and previous party members'
 
17:20  Laugh track.
 
21:00  Vote on weather or not to end debate on voting members.  Trimbolli abstains from vote.  9-8  Fails
 
Debate on whether or not to have elections.
 
22:00  Yanuk asks where is the smear campaign.
 
22:30  Bennett mentions information from a member of the cabal.
 
24:00  Neiderriter steps forward to comment on the cabal and the smear campaign.
 
24:50  Gillespy comments on time for debate.
 
25:50  Hargrove: "The bylaws will do you no good if there is no party."  
 
27:33  Dictor gives the reasons for having elections.
 
30:27  Schneider: "a great deception on the part of this leadership"
 
31:00  Gillespy "I joined this party because I trusted that it wasn't the Gator party"
 
33:18  Dictor on Chutzpah
 
34:43  Gersten on group therapy.
 
35:55  Yanuk: "There's something to be said for people having done the job for years"
 
37:00  Vote on adding elections:  Passes unanimously 18-0
 
37:50  Public comment
 
  38:35  Eric Conrad on joining the movement, wanting to help out, but now questioning the structure of the system
 
  40:30  Yevkin __ on arrogance and unity
 
  40:58  ?? ?? on excitement and disappointment, "schisms should exist"  
 
  43:53  Gersten on staying unaffiliated, and future of the movement with people who's voices aren't heard now
 
  46:18  Hargrove on the differences between the Gator Party and O&B, being an open party, and voting member standards changing
 
  49:00  Tannenbaum on the contrast between the majority opinion versus the leadership's opinion and the voting process
 
  50:10  Adriana on helping O&B and respect for one another
 
52:00  Bylaws:  Members at Large, Robert's Rules, Party Council positions
 
1:07:30  Article 3 - Party Committee Chair discussion:  Passes
 
1:20:15  Article 4  -  Recognizing Progress Party Seniority
 
  1:21:20  Miorelli: "Seniority trumps everything" and again at 1:21:40
 
  1:22:30  Dictor on meritocracy vs patronage
 
  1:31:25  Bendix on merit of Neiderreiter and Trimbolli, "...we're going to question that they don't have a right to any of this?  How much money have Josh and Joe Trimbolli put into this party?  And we're going to say they have no merit?"
 
  1:32:45  Hargrove on what we were told at IHOP, "Now you're gonna tell me that two hard workers get a vote, but the rest of the hard workers don't?  You gotta be out of your fucking mind!"
 
  1:35:00  Ossip reads the names of the cabal provided by Neidereitter
 
  1:36:00  Neiderreiter responds.
 
  1:37:30  Miorelli: "recognizes seniority"
 
       Bennett responds
 
  1:38:30  Gray on short sightedness
 
  1:39:50  Tannenbaum on a mechanism for inclusion
 
       Gersten on money and shifting direction
 
  1:41:45  Article 4 fails (McShera and Benedix abstain)  5-12
 
1:43:30  Election of Officers
 
  1:45:50  Neiderreiter gives his speech.
 
  1:49:00  Hargrove gives his speech.
 
  1:52:45  Questions
 
     1:54:15  Neiderrieter: "I will continue to have meetings, cause I have to tell you what happened to me in the Pants Party.  I would always be asking what the hell's going on with this party.  I would be screaming at Sam over AIM, 'What was going on?  I have no idea what's going on.'  And I think one of the things the Orange and Blue Party has done well in the campaigns is have a lot of meetings and tell everyone what's going on."   and 1:58:20  "I don't want people to feel left out, I've been there before"
 
     2:06:20  Huey offers to give anyone the exec thread contents
 
     2:12:30  Dictor on Hargrove and The Cabal Text Messages between him and Braco, The Leadership: "It is not the party's choice who runs under the O&B"
        Braco responds: populous vs qualifications
        Neidereitter responds, "The Leadership does not just refer to the cabal."
 
     2:23:20  Miorelli on qualifications of the candidates and requirements of the office
 
     2:27:00  Gillespy on the principles and values of the party
 
     2:29:10  Gray on behavioral problems of the candidates
 
  2:33:00  Ossip asks to continue the meeting, and is met with resistance
 
  2:35:15  Student Body President nominations
 
  2:35:30  Gillespy nominates McShera

  2:35:45  Bennett nominates Dictor
 
  2:37:10  Hargove wins 10-7
 
2:37:34  Dictor accepts nomination
 
Meeting is adjourned

Anonymous said...

jeez Duque did you have a bad day or something? you had to resort to needlessly attacking people you don't even know? (ex-Eric/Adrianna)